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		<title>By: Mom Is Teaching &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Homeschoolers and sports</title>
		<link>http://www.tinygrass.com/2007/07/sports-do-kids-really-need-them/comment-page-1/#comment-5649</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was inspired by this post over at tiny grass, Sports - Do kids really need them?. Trish lists several great reasons why she does not want her children playing organized sports. In [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
		<link>http://www.tinygrass.com/2007/07/sports-do-kids-really-need-them/comment-page-1/#comment-5639</link>
		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think there is something synthetic about *organized* sports.  The kind of &quot;sign-up-your-kid&quot; and cart them around organized sport I see in suburbia.  I&#039;m using the term to mean &quot;artificial&quot;.  I guess what I&#039;m talking about is more the surroundings of the game.  If your purpose in sending your kids to soccer camp is to *teach them various lessons*, then the surroundings of it all are artificial.  You don&#039;t need to create those opportunities for learning those lessons.  The lessons will be learned as they naturally come up.  From some of the crazy comments I&#039;m getting, the belief among many seems to be that if I don&#039;t create and foster these organized sport opportunities for my children, they actually won&#039;t learn these supposed lessons and will fail at life because of it.

What makes a pickup game very different, in my eyes, is how *real* it came be in comparison.  A child picks up a ball with friends and has a sudden excitement at that moment to play a game.  Yes, *that* is something that humans have been doing forever.  It is coupled with spontaneous emotion and drive.  That makes it *real* for me.

I think this has a lot to do with my reasons for unschooling.  The urge to learn is innate, right?  Why would we feel the need to create this institution, with it&#039;s age segregation and planned hours of operation and cutthroat competition, instead of just going with the spontaneous learning that goes on in life?  There are problems when we create that institution.  So why, if kids have naturally been having these pickup games for centuries, do we create this other sort of game, with its&#039; pizza parties and cheers, and inevitably, its&#039; losers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think there is something synthetic about *organized* sports.  The kind of &#8220;sign-up-your-kid&#8221; and cart them around organized sport I see in suburbia.  I&#8217;m using the term to mean &#8220;artificial&#8221;.  I guess what I&#8217;m talking about is more the surroundings of the game.  If your purpose in sending your kids to soccer camp is to *teach them various lessons*, then the surroundings of it all are artificial.  You don&#8217;t need to create those opportunities for learning those lessons.  The lessons will be learned as they naturally come up.  From some of the crazy comments I&#8217;m getting, the belief among many seems to be that if I don&#8217;t create and foster these organized sport opportunities for my children, they actually won&#8217;t learn these supposed lessons and will fail at life because of it.</p>
<p>What makes a pickup game very different, in my eyes, is how *real* it came be in comparison.  A child picks up a ball with friends and has a sudden excitement at that moment to play a game.  Yes, *that* is something that humans have been doing forever.  It is coupled with spontaneous emotion and drive.  That makes it *real* for me.</p>
<p>I think this has a lot to do with my reasons for unschooling.  The urge to learn is innate, right?  Why would we feel the need to create this institution, with it&#8217;s age segregation and planned hours of operation and cutthroat competition, instead of just going with the spontaneous learning that goes on in life?  There are problems when we create that institution.  So why, if kids have naturally been having these pickup games for centuries, do we create this other sort of game, with its&#8217; pizza parties and cheers, and inevitably, its&#8217; losers?</p>
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		<title>By: Arp</title>
		<link>http://www.tinygrass.com/2007/07/sports-do-kids-really-need-them/comment-page-1/#comment-5636</link>
		<dc:creator>Arp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 16:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put, Sam.  The big thing I really have an issue with is the idea that organized sports are &lt;em&gt;absolutely&lt;/em&gt; vital and that a child is bereft without getting the lessons from that one avenue.    If our kids loved a sport so much that they wanted to play an organized variety, I certainly wouldn&#039;t stand in their way.  I would probably be one of the loudest parents in the stands too :-P

Playing hoops or baseball with my friends are some of the fondest memories I have from high school and ended up being my single constructive escapism in college.  The best benefit I got from playing actually had to do with my grades - I tended to do better on exams when I played hoops before studying.  My guess is that it was a combination of using a different part of my mind and getting really deep, solid sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put, Sam.  The big thing I really have an issue with is the idea that organized sports are <em>absolutely</em> vital and that a child is bereft without getting the lessons from that one avenue.    If our kids loved a sport so much that they wanted to play an organized variety, I certainly wouldn&#8217;t stand in their way.  I would probably be one of the loudest parents in the stands too <img src='http://www.tinygrass.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Playing hoops or baseball with my friends are some of the fondest memories I have from high school and ended up being my single constructive escapism in college.  The best benefit I got from playing actually had to do with my grades &#8211; I tended to do better on exams when I played hoops before studying.  My guess is that it was a combination of using a different part of my mind and getting really deep, solid sleep.</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.tinygrass.com/2007/07/sports-do-kids-really-need-them/comment-page-1/#comment-5635</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mostly see the points in the post, but I would disagree with the use of the term synthetic in describing sports.  Looking back at the history of humankind, people have always been involved in physical games of different types.

I would also suggest that there are many possible lessons to learn through sports, and those same lessons can be learned elsewhere.  More than where and how the lessons are learned, what I feel is important is the ideas we seek to instill and whether or not our children actually learn lesson and make them useful in their lives.  Whether we learn teamwork on the field or helping build a house, what counts is our ability to work on that team in the place where our very best makes that team a better group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly see the points in the post, but I would disagree with the use of the term synthetic in describing sports.  Looking back at the history of humankind, people have always been involved in physical games of different types.</p>
<p>I would also suggest that there are many possible lessons to learn through sports, and those same lessons can be learned elsewhere.  More than where and how the lessons are learned, what I feel is important is the ideas we seek to instill and whether or not our children actually learn lesson and make them useful in their lives.  Whether we learn teamwork on the field or helping build a house, what counts is our ability to work on that team in the place where our very best makes that team a better group.</p>
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		<title>By: Trish</title>
		<link>http://www.tinygrass.com/2007/07/sports-do-kids-really-need-them/comment-page-1/#comment-5634</link>
		<dc:creator>Trish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, my lovely hubby told me what a pickup game is.  I am now in-the-know.

There is a *huge* difference between pickup games and organized sports.  I must clarify that my post concerns organized sports.  Pickup games are often quite different - multiple ages and abilities, done by spontaneous interest, no cheering bystanders or coaches, rules can be made up or altered on-the-spot by participants.  And the most important aspect of the pickup game is that they are usually small and populated by friends.  Hopefully friends that are close and care about each other.  I would hope that would lead to the participants not feeling the need to overly compete or to feel that there are losers-winners in the sense that an organized game does.

Some lovely individuals have made comments in which they use insults against my children, assume that I live on a *compound* (Ha! That one is funny), and that our family is made up of overweight and/or unhealthy individuals. I guess I was right that people would be upset by my opinion, but I was surprised by how much anger this created.  BTW, I refuse to publish comments that insult my family or resort to ad hominem arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, my lovely hubby told me what a pickup game is.  I am now in-the-know.</p>
<p>There is a *huge* difference between pickup games and organized sports.  I must clarify that my post concerns organized sports.  Pickup games are often quite different &#8211; multiple ages and abilities, done by spontaneous interest, no cheering bystanders or coaches, rules can be made up or altered on-the-spot by participants.  And the most important aspect of the pickup game is that they are usually small and populated by friends.  Hopefully friends that are close and care about each other.  I would hope that would lead to the participants not feeling the need to overly compete or to feel that there are losers-winners in the sense that an organized game does.</p>
<p>Some lovely individuals have made comments in which they use insults against my children, assume that I live on a *compound* (Ha! That one is funny), and that our family is made up of overweight and/or unhealthy individuals. I guess I was right that people would be upset by my opinion, but I was surprised by how much anger this created.  BTW, I refuse to publish comments that insult my family or resort to ad hominem arguments.</p>
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